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Joe Van Steenbergen's avatar

Incredible discussion; thank you. Scary stuff.

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David Kirtley's avatar

It is inevitable due to increase in technology. They are doing exactly like every previous government would have done given access the same tools. It makes little difference between whether it is done by private citizens or the state.

Now that cameras are accessible, they are not going away. Instead of having to hire someone to watch over us, for good or evil, you can have a machine that does it 24/7 without sleep. Instead of having to schlep to the store, you can just click on a computer screen and stuff will magically appear at your home. Instead of millions dying from starvation, we have fresh food available in abundance year round.

Even some of the more egregious overstepping such as mandated vaccinations, we have fewer people who suffer ill effects than would have died from the suffered from the illnesses without them.

Pandora's box has been opened and there is no turning back. All we can do is to be more careful about who we we put in charge of the technologies.

In some cases, I think that we are just going through the growing pains as society adjusts to the new technologies. For instance, look at the battle going on between the state and private surveillance. Where previously, the state had a monopoly on the technology, now everyone is walking around with cameras as well and the police are quite unhappy when they get caught on camera misbehaving. Too bad. You don't want the scrutiny, get a different job.

One of the problems is that we are given pithy quotes such as, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" when it really doesn't apply. You don't have the right to break the law just because you don't get caught. If the law is bad, change the law. If the law is good, change your behavior. By the same token, the burden of proof is on the government. Even for something as simple as a red light camera, they shouldn't be able to charge someone without actual proof of who committed the offence. Car's don't drive themselves. Just an image of a car without proving who was driving it is not evidence that the person was driving it.

Technology isn't the problem, it is just a tool. We are going to have bad government as long as we have bad people running it.

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Chris's avatar

"They" (our elites) are, indeed, all in on it. No truer words spoken. Skynet is the endgame, and we are all John Connor.

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Ionedery2's avatar

Globalism... That's a nasty bit of business. It bothers me, angers me and I oppose it.

I'm trying to find ways to opt out by rejecting digital ID, surveillance and propaganda. I won't be flying or driving soon perhaps. I'm careful now about medical interventions and fake food. I'm avoiding the convenience and laziness of playing by their rules.

I can see it coming though, the loss of freedom, and the digital prison. It's a nightmare that seems to be growing, though many are either unaware or willing to be enslaved by it.

In the end I believe it will fail on many levels. There are people and groups pushing back and the narrative is being challenged. Yes the media is controlled but not completely. The elites are only in control of the money and power aspects and need to maintain the ruse.

Nicole Schwab, daughter of Klaus, is upsetting some elites from Davos recently..

https://faiezkirsten.substack.com/p/exposed-klaus-schwabs-daughter-flips?r=1q9ktd&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

The vaccine paradigm is crumbling..

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgzQbfLTfhsHglHWfCnnhGjlKcPDv

Even Centurion, the warrior AI has said CBDC's are a threat:

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgzQbfLTfXgmmrbjHcpMQtfXcNGjs

So it's not over yet but time is short and the future is uncertain.

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The Freedom Conversation's avatar

not funny hvorje

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