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David Kirtley's avatar

This has been going on throughout history.

We had the same things that went on with the Roman Empire, expansion into new frontiers. The old trading companies, the railroads, the oil boom, the auto manufacturers, air travel, and more were driven by people who both wanted to expand and control.

Everyone has always wanted to "make things better" which roughly translated means that they want to come out on top and screw everyone else.

To some degree it has usually worked to improve our lives. There have also been some dismal failures. But in the end, there has not been any time in the history of mankind that lived a higher quality of life than we share today. In my lifetime, I have seen the almost total disappearance of famine. Most of our poorest have a higher quality of life than the richest had a hundred years ago.

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Collapse Life's avatar

This is not a matter of incremental progress to make things better generation over generation. This is a sinister agenda of depopulation, burning down civilization as we know it, and rebuilding it in a hierarchical structure run on technocratic principles.

Roman emperors did not have nuclear weapons, nor did they have the technology to control every aspect of life on earth, nor did they have the ability to program human cells as though they were extensions of computers.

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They did not have the same weapons but they had the same effect. Look no further than the peoples that they displaced and eliminated. The indigenous all over the world, the millions killed and imprisoned by Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, and more. The same thing happened with the spread of Christians into the Americas and the middle east, the Ottomans into the west, which repeated what the Romans and every other empire had done in the past.

Yes, nuclear weapons are bad but really only in that they are more efficient. The firestorm in Dresden was just as devastating as Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Carpet bombing and then the smaller scale use of napalm later on. The global control of the East India Company was just as controlling as everything being attempted today. The Spanish and Portuguese literally divided up the entire world, not that they kept it. They went in and blasted many peoples back into the stone age. The Romans controlled what was at the time, just about the entirety of the known world.

Every time, it was some technocratic elite with visions of remaking the world in the image of their dreams. Quite often it was noble intentions that just conveniently "just happened" let them assume the control to make them come true. It is not just greed as it doesn't take long until you have more wealth than you can ever spend. It is zealotry that drives them to "improve", not that it is always viewed as an improvement by those that it is thrust upon.

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Shelie's avatar

Thank you Courtenay, again! Awesome information

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Kyra's avatar

Cognitive sovereignty, I like it, hanging on to mine the best I can.

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Susan Harley's avatar

This is a mind bending conversation, including some names mentioned like Ken Wilber. Is he part of the plan or against it…same with Daniel Schmachtenberger ? I have wondered about Nat Hagens for a while and they are big buddies. Nat is very influential with his Great Simplification Podcast.

There is much to digest here, but it did join up even more of the dots for me. Particularly liked the suggestions on what we can do Cognitive Sovereignty and you can’t protect yourself against something you don’t know exists.

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