A BBC lifestyle piece about whether Brits are too dog-friendly belies a bigger question: how far does a majority 'accommodate' before its sway stops being the default?
I wonder if the presence of a dog deters shoplifting? Or one security person on the door with a furry friend.
While I was looking for Ricky Gervais' Vodka advert on London Underground, I discovered that dogs are allowed on all Transport for London (TfL) services - including the Tube, buses, London Overground, DLR, Elizabeth line, and trams - free of charge.
I live in Italy. Dogs are allowed everywhere, except in supermarkets, though small dogs (I even saw a cat once) that fit in a supermarket trolley can go in. Dogs are a very important part in the lives of many people, life companions and part of the family.
A larger part of it is that people have been given the green light to foist their minority issues on the public in general. I at least understand the cultural viewpoint of the Muslims even if I don't believe that their rights supersede everyone else's.
The problem is that public accomodation gets pushed on everyone. The public shouldn't have unlimited right to say what can be done on privately owned property. Just like freedom of speech is not only limited to speech that you agree with, people should have the right to do unpopular things.
If a business owner prefers to allow dogs in their establishment, that is their right. Maybe it makes their place more appealing to dog owners. Maybe it runs customers off and they will lose business. It is their business to run as they see fit.
Look at the way that they have pushed anti-smoking rules on everyone. I smoke and if I had a business, I would most likely have it designated as non-smoking because I would want the majority of people as patrons and the majority don't want to be around it. I also wouldn't want to have to clean up the ashes and put up with people throwing cigarette butts everywhere. But that doesn't mean that people should have the right to force businesses to be run to suit them.
If you don't like to be around things that you don't like, don't go to places that allow it. Your rights don't trump the business owner's rights. If someone wants to run a business with unpopular rules. they should be able to.
I would even go so far as to say that if they wanted to discriminate against certain people, they should be allowed. They should also be publicly shamed and boycotted as should any customer seen patronizing them.
I always liked dogs and grew up with a big black Newfie dog. They can be great for mental health, reducing loneliness and offering companionship. There have been studies showing positive outcomes and reduced mortality for dog owners so this business of calling them "unclean" is just a lame ruse to demonize them. Sterility and cleanliness is overrated, pushed by the trusting followers of germ theory who justify poison chemical disinfectants and fearful lockdowns. Those people are still woefully ignorant, clinging to the half-truths and misdirection foisted on them by the corrupt medical and healthcare cartel.
The inclusion of dogs in public places (pubs, especially) of the UK was one of the first (and most enjoyable) things I noticed when on an extended stay in the UK decades ago... 1985 actually... so this is a cultural phenomenon that has been part and parcel to the UK's uniquely distinct social culture for at least half a century that I'm aware of... (in fact, in my opinion, it's one of the only redeaming aspects of UK's culture, but I digress)
So Abi and her similarly mentally/emotionally affected cohorts should seek counseling for their social deficiencies... and the Muslims... they should go back to where they came from for a society they prefer instead of trying to enforce their edicts on others... I'd better stop now before I get really rude... but you know where I'm heading.
Let me make something clear... and I hope to make myself perfectly clear... I have no animosity toward anyone of a differing race, creed, color, culture, or national origin... I don't judge others in that manner, but I do judge... I judge by what I consider to be an individual's "quality of being"... and an overwhelming part of that "quality of being" has to do with having respect for the society and culture of other people when in other people's home country... and not demanding the imposition and adoption of one's differing cultural viewpoints.
I used to be afraid of dogs, when I was growing up both my brother and I had been bit by one. None of my friends had dogs so I just never got comfortable with them. At 35 all the changed and now I adore dogs and have had 5 of my own. If one wants to face their fear of something they can do it. The country doesn't change for you. If you don't like it there are many other countries you could move to. As for "unclean", you can move also.
Your experience is not uncommon. A lot of children are afraid of dogs and do have negative experiences, but they just as often grow out of that fear, as you did. The extreme phobias are the minority.
I wonder if the presence of a dog deters shoplifting? Or one security person on the door with a furry friend.
While I was looking for Ricky Gervais' Vodka advert on London Underground, I discovered that dogs are allowed on all Transport for London (TfL) services - including the Tube, buses, London Overground, DLR, Elizabeth line, and trams - free of charge.
Give me dogs over people anytime
I live in Italy. Dogs are allowed everywhere, except in supermarkets, though small dogs (I even saw a cat once) that fit in a supermarket trolley can go in. Dogs are a very important part in the lives of many people, life companions and part of the family.
That really is the real headline.
I think this topic is inherently far too emotional to be objective. Strong feelings on both sides of the equation.
A larger part of it is that people have been given the green light to foist their minority issues on the public in general. I at least understand the cultural viewpoint of the Muslims even if I don't believe that their rights supersede everyone else's.
The problem is that public accomodation gets pushed on everyone. The public shouldn't have unlimited right to say what can be done on privately owned property. Just like freedom of speech is not only limited to speech that you agree with, people should have the right to do unpopular things.
If a business owner prefers to allow dogs in their establishment, that is their right. Maybe it makes their place more appealing to dog owners. Maybe it runs customers off and they will lose business. It is their business to run as they see fit.
Look at the way that they have pushed anti-smoking rules on everyone. I smoke and if I had a business, I would most likely have it designated as non-smoking because I would want the majority of people as patrons and the majority don't want to be around it. I also wouldn't want to have to clean up the ashes and put up with people throwing cigarette butts everywhere. But that doesn't mean that people should have the right to force businesses to be run to suit them.
If you don't like to be around things that you don't like, don't go to places that allow it. Your rights don't trump the business owner's rights. If someone wants to run a business with unpopular rules. they should be able to.
I would even go so far as to say that if they wanted to discriminate against certain people, they should be allowed. They should also be publicly shamed and boycotted as should any customer seen patronizing them.
I always liked dogs and grew up with a big black Newfie dog. They can be great for mental health, reducing loneliness and offering companionship. There have been studies showing positive outcomes and reduced mortality for dog owners so this business of calling them "unclean" is just a lame ruse to demonize them. Sterility and cleanliness is overrated, pushed by the trusting followers of germ theory who justify poison chemical disinfectants and fearful lockdowns. Those people are still woefully ignorant, clinging to the half-truths and misdirection foisted on them by the corrupt medical and healthcare cartel.
I believe our dogs helped keep us healthy and sane in the midst of COVID. They certainly gave us a reason to get out of bed and go outside every day.
You are brave taking on the dog question !
The inclusion of dogs in public places (pubs, especially) of the UK was one of the first (and most enjoyable) things I noticed when on an extended stay in the UK decades ago... 1985 actually... so this is a cultural phenomenon that has been part and parcel to the UK's uniquely distinct social culture for at least half a century that I'm aware of... (in fact, in my opinion, it's one of the only redeaming aspects of UK's culture, but I digress)
So Abi and her similarly mentally/emotionally affected cohorts should seek counseling for their social deficiencies... and the Muslims... they should go back to where they came from for a society they prefer instead of trying to enforce their edicts on others... I'd better stop now before I get really rude... but you know where I'm heading.
Let me make something clear... and I hope to make myself perfectly clear... I have no animosity toward anyone of a differing race, creed, color, culture, or national origin... I don't judge others in that manner, but I do judge... I judge by what I consider to be an individual's "quality of being"... and an overwhelming part of that "quality of being" has to do with having respect for the society and culture of other people when in other people's home country... and not demanding the imposition and adoption of one's differing cultural viewpoints.
“Man’s best friend.”
I used to be afraid of dogs, when I was growing up both my brother and I had been bit by one. None of my friends had dogs so I just never got comfortable with them. At 35 all the changed and now I adore dogs and have had 5 of my own. If one wants to face their fear of something they can do it. The country doesn't change for you. If you don't like it there are many other countries you could move to. As for "unclean", you can move also.
Your experience is not uncommon. A lot of children are afraid of dogs and do have negative experiences, but they just as often grow out of that fear, as you did. The extreme phobias are the minority.
Abi can F off and hire a psychologist
Exactly!... And the muslims can go back home where they're from.
P*ss off Abi
And the muslims too!